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January 13th, 2005
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From:martinivixen
Date:January 13th, 2005 09:37 pm (UTC)
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what made you want a gun? I can understand self-defense to a point, but not really.

I'm just really curious. Guns scare the crap out of me (though the people who are stupid with them scare me more--not trying to suggest you're stupid with guns. You seem like a responsible gun owner) so I'm just wondering what are the reasonings for the gun and where you'd take it (aside from the shooting range)
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 13th, 2005 10:14 pm (UTC)
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what made you want a gun? I can understand self-defense to a point, but not really.

Let's see if I can explain this. First, the broad ideological factors: I'm a libertarian. I buy into many (though not absolutely all) of the things the Founding Fathers said, and that includes the ideal of a virtuous citizen as one who owns and bears arms. I realize that pistols didn't really exist when the Constitution was drafted, but I view that as a technological advancement that doesn't change the nature of the situation, or if anything makes it even more incumbent on defenders to be armed.

More on the practical side of things, the police are not really capable of protecting individuals from crime in most cases—unless an officer happens to be right there, they'll only get involved if a situation lasts for a while or to take a report after the crime has happened. I don't really feel like I'm in much risk most of the time, but if someone pulls a gun and starts shooting randomly into a crowd, I want to be able to take him down, not hope that he runs out of ammo.

To give a very specific reason, I used to have sort of a vague fear of guns myself, but changed my mind in Preston Covey's class when he presented what I had to admit was compelling evidence that gun ownership is a benefit. I was going to point you to one of his course websites, but it looks like CMU has recently added a login to those. Based on my interactions with him I have done a lot of reading and a reasonable amount of shooting.

I'm just really curious. Guns scare the crap out of me

Want to go shooting some time? Guns used to scare me too, but one's attitude really changes after shooting a few times. (At least, mine did.)

(though the people who are stupid with them scare me more--not trying to suggest you're stupid with guns. You seem like a responsible gun owner) so I'm just wondering what are the reasonings for the gun and where you'd take it (aside from the shooting range)

Hopefully I've explained my reasoning. As for place, there are some places where guns are either banned or a bad idea: schools, most colleges (CMU at least has a no weapon policy—I think it's incredibly dumb, but it's their property and I'll follow their rules on it), parks, government buildings, banks, bars, anyone's home if they aren't comfortable with it. I won't carry in any of those places, and I won't carry if I've been drinking or plan to. I expect to carry most times when there isn't a disqualifying factor. What good is the option of a last-ditch lethal response if it isn't actually available when you need it?

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From:martinivixen
Date:January 13th, 2005 10:29 pm (UTC)
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Want to go shooting some time?

yeah, I would, actually. my boyfriend in high school taught me how to shoot a .22 but thats the only kind of gun I've ever fired, and that was over 8 years ago.

I assume I dont have to own a gun to go to a shooting range?
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 13th, 2005 11:06 pm (UTC)
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I assume I dont have to own a gun to go to a shooting range?

Nope. It's very easy to rent one (I did for several months before actually purchasing one), and if you go with me you could use mine (I have a .22 Ruger in addition to my 9mm Glock).

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From:martinivixen
Date:January 13th, 2005 11:10 pm (UTC)
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cool! when do you want to go?
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 14th, 2005 12:16 am (UTC)
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I usually go on weekends. This weekend doesn't work, though, because my dad is coming out to visit. Though depending on when he leaves, Sunday afternoon might work. If not, then next weekend is definitely free. The Greater Pittsburgh Gun Club, where I'm a member and usually go, is outdoors and is open from dawn to dusk (the main road there is closed right now, though, and finding it is a bit of an adventure, though I have managed to do it once); Bullseye is indoors, a bit closer, more expensive, and open 11 to 7 on weekends.

By the way, if you need other contact methods for me: kenn@aspeiro.net, (412) 657-1395 (cell).
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From:annecognito
Date:January 13th, 2005 10:38 pm (UTC)
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I want to have a gun, because the idea of becoming a crime victim, or being aware of someone else becoming one and being powerless to act as a deterrent, enrages me nearly beyond reason. I'd also want to become very well-trained in the non-lethal use of guns to subdue attackers, because I never want to have to kill anyone unless I absolutely absolutely have to. Unfortunately, I have the dubious privilege of living in Maryland, which, while I enjoy its status as a bastion of the Democratic party, has gun-control laws which make it highly prohibitive for me to possess a firearm. Besides, I'm not living in a terribly unsafe area at the moment (though when I inevitably move out I'll end up somewhere bad until I can afford higher rent). I think I'm going to look into at least getting a SOG or some other kind of assault knife, though those take considerably more coordination to use effectively which sucks.

Guns never really scared me, except the one time I took my father's Beretta and seriously considered putting it to my own head and pulling the trigger. Hooray for psychoactive prescription drugs.
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 13th, 2005 11:11 pm (UTC)
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I'd also want to become very well-trained in the non-lethal use of guns to subdue attackers, because I never want to have to kill anyone unless I absolutely absolutely have to.

Huh. I mean, just pointing a gun at someone will usually make them run away, but if you actually have to shoot, I'd say that if there isn't a good chance of killing the person you're shooting at, you probably aren't using the gun properly. After all, you're never legally justified in shooting someone you aren't legally justified in killing.

Unfortunately, I have the dubious privilege of living in Maryland, which, while I enjoy its status as a bastion of the Democratic party, has gun-control laws which make it highly prohibitive for me to possess a firearm.

You'll notice that I used Maryland as my example of crappy CCW policy in my post. :-)

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