Kenn (kenoubi) wrote,


This post inspired by papertygre's earlier post.

flickr and both have metadata systems built around text “tags”. LiveJournal is considering adding text tags too. Now, none of these sites use text tags as the only form of metadata—at a minimum, they all associate a post (photo, link) with an author and a date, as well, and in some cases the available metadata is significantly richer (LiveJournal additionally has userpics, current mood, current music, protection options, and possibly some other things). However, text tags are at least on flickr and on the primary form of user-defined metadata.

The advantage of tags is that the UI for them is very light-weight (no need for widgets to select them from a list—even a single text box will suffice), the data model is similarly lightweight (no relevant data associated with a tag other than the items that fall under it) and they're created ad hoc (arguably another aspect of the UI, but arguably not). They seem to be without disadvantage at first glance, since after all, you can just decide not to use them.

However, in my opinion, tags are actually kind of pernicious. The problem is that I think they really aren't adequate to solve some of the problems to which they will inevitably be applied anyway because of the “when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail” fallacy, and that a system that was minimally more structured would be capable of solving far more problems with a minimal increase in complexity.

My solution is to replace each tag with a pair of tags: the first one is a tag in the same sense as on flickr or currently (although I would want to allow spaces and pretty much all punctuation characters in them), and the second is another tag that tells what kind of thing the first tag is. Thus if I have a photo taken by me, I can enter ("Kenn Hamm", "Photographer"); if I have one with me as a subject, I can enter ("Kenn Hamm", "Subject"). You can ignore the type tags at query time if you want, in which case you get tag-like behavior. You can also ignore them (by leaving them blank) at data entry time, in which case you force tag-like behavior.

The trick to make the UI for this not much heavier than that for normal text tags is to have predefined sets of tag types that are useful for certain types of items. For example, for photos, subject, photographer and location are all likely to be relevant; some other data such as date can be extracted from EXIF information and need not be manually entered at all. You can still use arbitrary tag types (or none) if you want to. For even more convenience, once a tag type is selected there could be a shortcut for values you've used with that tag type before.

This system would allow repeated tag types, in the case of an image that has multiple subjects, for example, but it's not a totally general tool for representing arbitrary data structures—I wouldn't add any way to represent hierarchy, because presenting a UI for that would probably be so complex and annoying that even I wouldn't bother to use it. But I still think the addition of tag types would allow a far broader and more useful range of queries to be fulfilled.

It looks unlikely that anyone will implement this for me, and it's my idea, anyway, so I'm seriously considering implementing it in my photo-management scripts as a test case (since I've already decided to implement my own photo-management software, for a variety of reasons).


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