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January 20th, 2006
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From:papertygre
Date:January 21st, 2006 01:58 pm (UTC)
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Your use of LJ-cuts was interesting. I'm surprised you used them though, since don't you have them disabled on your friends view? Anyway, my comment about them is that after reading the post on my friends view, I clicked to see the whole thing, and my partial-attention-span self had a hard time finding where the cut text began and ended. (Sometimes when I write posts with fancy LJ-cuts I put indicators in the long text of where the cuts began and ended. I have never been able to tell if that was a useful practice, but my wishing for such cues here suggests it might be.)

As for how to improve your writing for an LJ-audience, I didn't think you were concerned about that. There are various things that I try to do, but I don't know if they are that effective or not.

I'm glad you find me a positive addition to your life. That feeling is mutual.

So how are we going to structure this palm dev project? For my part, I am vaguely waiting to get Agora back since Dion is in limbo (going to rebuild her for work use) and since we seem to have to use the windows development tools to get anywhere. I could use a project for nighttime anyway to help with my polyphasic sleep training :) I think we should use an Agile approach since I am learning the methodologies anyway and they seem good. Maybe we should set up Skype with video conferencing to facilitate that. (Another reason for me to wait for Agora as se has a camera...)
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 21st, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC)
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I (try to) use lj-cuts for two reasons: as a courtesy, and as a teaser. I think a lot of people don't like having huge blobs of text dumped on their friends pages, and I think that when they do see said huge blobs of text, they tend to scroll past without even skimming. Do you have an example of the “indicators” you're talking about?

You're right that I wasn't really writing for an LJ audience. I do want to write in basically the style that I used here, but I also want people to actually read what I write. Maybe this is an impossible dream.

Agile programming isn't a particular methodology, but a whole class of them, right? (Roughly analogous to “functional programming” as applied to programming languages.) Considering that the alternatives are 1) complete disorganization, and 2) specifying requirements up front, I don't see anything but agile programming as even a serious contender.
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From:papertygre
Date:January 21st, 2006 04:36 pm (UTC)
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indicators: I don't think I've done it lately, but kind of like this:

blah blah this is outer text and now I want to segue into an <lj-cut text="LJ cut">LJ cut:

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foo bar this is inside the cut

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</lj-cut>and stuff.

Another method might be using notation like [lj cut title] [/lj-cut title] in the inner text to set it off, or using blockquoting for inside the cuts, etc.

Agile programming: Yes, you're probably right, but I meant formal methods, like scrum or test driven development or even pair programming. I could stand the practice in applying them.
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 21st, 2006 04:47 pm (UTC)
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Look at the entry now. It looks a little weird when there are two cuts next to each other, but other than that I think I like it.

Pair programming would be a bit difficult, unless you want us both to spend a whole lot more on plane tickets. :-) This seems like a less than ideal project for test-driven development, with a heavily UI-based app and having to test on either the crappy simulator or our real phones. If you want to teach me about “scrum”, I suppose I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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From:papertygre
Date:January 22nd, 2006 12:36 am (UTC)
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I was thinking with screen and Skype we could probably pair program :)

We can do TDD for the parts that underlie the UI, at least.
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 22nd, 2006 03:20 am (UTC)
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Huh. It would be interesting enough even just to see if that would work that I'd be willing to give it a try.

We should probably make an appointment. Oh, by the way, assuming you want to talk tomorrow, I have gaming from 14 to 18 (CST) but am otherwise free.
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From:papertygre
Date:January 22nd, 2006 12:53 am (UTC)
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I like the new LJ-cut blocking, also.
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From:damion
Date:January 21st, 2006 02:54 pm (UTC)
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I tried my hand at Palm programming some years back, using the unix devkit, and it was a bitch. I imagine the state of the art has advanced somewhat since then :D
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From:kenoubi
Date:January 21st, 2006 02:56 pm (UTC)
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More like rotted, actually. :-(
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From:papertygre
Date:January 21st, 2006 04:29 pm (UTC)
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Based on our experience last weekend, not necessarily. We couldn't get the simulator to even compile, and we tried really hard.
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